Metro- Princess or Pig?
I am very interested in seeing the supervisors look closely at the facts and information before they vote on Metro to Loudoun. I was starting to think it might be time to sit back and wait until I went to Supervisor Buona’s Ashburn town hall meeting. I was shocked at his persuasive mix of familiar numbers and obvious distortions, and that’s putting it nicely. Mr. Buona is obviously a sharp businessman, way too sharp to miss the errors he was presenting.
First, he presented the cost to Loudoun at $262 million. This ignores the actual cost to Loudoun of the initial construction, paid back over 30 years which will be roughly three times the original $262 million or $750 million. Buona did not even mention the enormous cost that will be assessed as Loudoun’s share of the $13.3 billion needed to rehabilitate the 106 mile worn out Metro system. Oopsy.
Mr. Buona was over the top when he said, “What we know of the economic impact (of Metro to Loudoun) is just vapor.” He referred to the 185 page Robert Charles Lesser and Company Study (RCLCO) that was released last April and made 30-year projections as “very old.” What Mr. Buona appears to be doing is ignoring the RCLCO Study which was done by a very credible expert, maybe because it concluded the revenue effect of Metro coming into Loudoun was disastrous? It showed expenses breaking even with revenue in 30 years IF all capital and maintenance costs were ignored. A second grader could spot that proposition as a waste of money.
It seems very clear that when a sharp businessman like Ralph is willing to ignore the clear and concise numbers, there is an alternate agenda in play.
My best guess is that someone other than Loudoun County has commissioned a separate study that will magically show up to paint this Metro pig up to look like a Metro princess.
Look out folks. There is a scheme playing out here and we are going to be taken to the cleaners if we play along.
David LaRock
Hamilton
Jonathan Erickson
2:04 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
The facts and figures are there and tell us this metro is a HOG not just a pig!
David Carmichael`
2:25 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
I have been rather under-informed on this issue for some reason, but from what I'm seeing so far, this appears to be a hog lot -- not a Disney Castle.
Charles Cooper
8:30 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
What we know of the Metro is this... It costs the City of DC AKA the US taxpayers $40M a year and they aren't even keeping up with maintenance. It hasn't done a thing for Fairfax, Arlington, Alexandria that wouldn't have happened just by being in proximity to the City economically speaking and imagine what they could have done to the roads with the $2B that has been spent on this train over the past 20 years. Moreover, imagine what we could do with the $200M slated for the extension and the $20-30M a year for overhead. Before built a pie in the ski, sci fi adventure land shouldn't we fix the roads we have. Route 9 needs to be 6 lanes and yet people creep every morning through a one lane road flanked by housing waiting for YOU to pull into oncoming traffic going 55MPH to get to work. I'm just saying.
Ellie Lockwood
8:54 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
I think one of the things that bothers me most is the arrogant way the unelected MWAA Board feels entitled to make decisions that have tremendous financial impact on Loudoun and their disrespect for Virginia Right-To-Work laws.
Lovettsville Lady
11:28 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
What happened to Ralph Buona? I thought he was a conservative! Throwing away millions and millions on this awful project is certainly NOT fiscally conservative. We'll be paying off this HOG for the rest of our lives. Where will the money come from? The schools? Or will they just raise in taxes, year after year? I can't believe that a board with all republicans would pass this turkey or money HOG.
Vineet Aggarwal
12:47 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I feel that all of the people so fiercely opposed to the Metro extension are most likely also going to be riding it once it actually gets built. What are you going to say then? It's just like the Tea Partiers I've seen protesting in D.C. with their "Don't Treat on Me" and "Down with Taxes" signs, yet at the same time, they took the Metro to get to D.C., or took the highways to get to D.C., and while in D.C. spent the day enjoy the national monuments, museums, etc. Hey, guess what? Do you know what pays for highways, public transportation, and museums? That's right, tax dollars! So, if you want to gripe about tax dollars, you may as well live completely off the grid, don't drive on public roads, never call 911, etc., or you're just a bunch of hypocrites. Surely there are other battles to fight to bring down taxes rather than something like the Metro that is clearly going to help. Why all the opposition? Anybody with any sort of knowledge of city planning knows that the cardinal rule is "If you build roads, they will come." In other words, the LAST THING you want to do to alleviate a traffic issue is to build more roads, because that just gives people more pathways to clog up. Getting people OFF the roads is the only solution to alleviate traffic, and that involves public transportation. Support it now, and you will be glad you did later. Oppose it now, and you'll have to majorly swallow your pride when you so desperately want to ride it in the future!
Tax Pig
5:27 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Hows all that socialism working out for Greece? Has anybody told you that doubling and trippling tolls to fund this relic from yesteryear will put 25,000 cars a day back onto already clogged roads?
Have you considered that the FTA has predicted that only 10,000 riders will move off roads and onto rail.
Now that is planning FAIL Vineet because when the process is driven by money and politics instead of common sense, we all loose.
www. LoudounOptOut.com
Marcus Aurelius
5:54 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Well spoken, Vineet. The naysayers will be proven wrong on down the road, when the economic value of this project becomes clear. They deserve their say, because this kind of project needs plenty of discussion.
But I am strongly opposed to the fear-mongering of Supervisor Delgaudio, who uses code words like "the wrong type of people" will have access to Loudoun if this extension is built. Our county does not tolerate that kind of underhanded racism that Supervisor Delgaudio employs.
Jonathan Erickson
6:33 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I assume Deguadio is referring to the criminal element amongst us when he says "the wrong type of people”. I see no color, religion or ethnicity attached to his statement just a paranoid delusion.
Charles Cooper
6:53 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Thanks Jonathan but it's a statistically supported fact that there is an increase in property crime at rail stops.
Charles Cooper
6:42 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Vioneet, "Getting people OFF the roads is the only solution to alleviate traffic, and that involves public transportation." So you've hit on something that is sort of true but not, do you know anyone who plans to live at the metro? So there will be a trip to the metro at the very least. If you plan to have say 50,000 people get on the "Silver Line" every day right around the same time between 6 and 8 AM , there are all kinds of logistical problems with moving people in and out of the parking lot and the train with the same headache and hassle every night. Cars and Roads are a system that works. Roads can be built to handle more cars. So the answer to your conundrum too many cars for the roads is not to provide a megaproject that's mega-expensive and promises to fix nothing, but rather to upgrade a working system that's already in place to handle more volume. This is not a transportation fix.
Charles Cooper
6:43 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
The end of the line is called the end of the line for the reason. Northrop Grumman is not going to come to Loudoun County because suddenly a train has changed their mind. They will gain optimal position as near to their customer as possible as cost is no object and having a facility close to their federal customer is invaluable. The same is true of all the companies that support all the agencies of the federal government. If you want this kind of economic development you must change the value proposition AKA lower property taxes and reduced rent. You can do that with a spiraling budget, involving projects whose budgets you have no control over and declining property values.
Charles Cooper
6:43 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
AKA this is not an Economic engine
Charles Cooper
6:43 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
@ Marcus, accusing Supervisor Delgaudio of Racism is almost as ignorant as calling the KKK a game of historical dress up. What he is referring to as demonstrated by increased property crime around all of the rail stops on the metro are criminals.
Jonathan Erickson
7:25 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Sorry Charles I forgot a coma after the word statement in previous. Meant to infer that MA should stay away from tall building that don't have sewercide nets. I hear he does like pigs.