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Countywide Metro Taxes Off Table

If the Board of Supervisors decides to opt in, focus will be on taxes near stations.

 

The Loudoun Board of Supervisors Friday evening indicated its support for a combination of special tax districts, all within the eastern portion of the county and excluding nearly all existing residential properties.

With a vote about whether to participate in the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project, which would extend the Silver Line from Wiehle Avenue to Ashburn, planned for July 3, the board during its June 29 work session intended to show how the county would pay for the project. The scenario forwarded would avoid the use of general fund revenue and.

The board must still hold a public hearing before establishing such districts. As discussed, Friday evening, the board would establish a district around the stations in Loudoun and including all of Dulles International Airport. In addition, small districts within the immediate vicinity of the proposed rail stations would be established with additional taxes. Maximum rates of 20 cents are currently proposed for those districts.

County Treasurer Roger Zurn weighed in on the proposal when asked and called it a “brilliant plan,” if the board opts in, because it excludes the use of the general fund, which would impact all property owners in the county.

The board voted 8-1 to move forward with such district if the majority chooses to opt in to the project. Supervisors would still hold a formal vote on the tax district proposal after voting to opt in or opt out. County Chairman Scott K. York (R-At Large) also clarified that the board must take an affirmative action to opt in to rail, contrary to previous statements by staff members that the county would automatically be in the project if no vote occurred.

Read more on Patch, get info on the county's Silver Line web page or contact the supervisors.

Related Topics: Ashburn Metro, Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project, Leesburg Metro, Loudoun Metro, Reston Metro, and Silver Line

John Marsden

9:19 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

A good idea. Let those areas who may, and I mean may, prosper from the Silver Line, pony up and pay for it. If I lived in that special tax zone, I would be against the Silver Line.

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J Williams

10:18 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

The metro will attract more businesses and build a good solid tax base, this is great news for the residents of Loudoun! Glad to see the BOS is working hard to hammer out all the details and make this project a reality

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The Baconator

11:53 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012

The Metro will bring new jobs to Loudoun, so not only will it make peoples commutes better and free up traffic on our roads by removing cars from the road, but it will let some people work closer to home and remove even more cars from the road that way.

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J Williams

10:18 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Yes I totally agree...I know it will make my commute far more enjoyable, and a lot less stressful.

Bob Bruhns

11:10 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

People, that's just Act I. In Act II, the total amount of the tax from these districts will be capped at a level that is based on a deliberately low estimate of the true cost. Then, when the true cost is revealed - SURPRISE!!! SHORTFALL!!!! And your 'leaders' will be all ready to go with this line: "Oh, gee, who could have imagined! Gosh! Well, we either have to raise your taxes, or we have to mortgage your descendants with this plan we made long ago... uh, I mean that we just made. Which shall it be?" And then they will stop, and smile.

That only happened in Fairfax County twice now - in the Phase I tax district, and in the Phase II tax district. The toll road drivers and taxpayers are looking at unlimited costs; the businesses have a cap on their tax contribution. Clever, no? It fooled us; and it might fool you too. All that is needed is for your leaders and the news media to whistle and look the other way - and as you should know by now, they are very good at that.

Like the Toll Road drivers, the general taxpayers will be seriously overcharged. Make no mistake; this will cost the public a lot of money. But they'll fall for it, because anonymous people on the Internet are telling them to fall for it. Hey, if you can't believe pen-name posters, who CAN you believe?

People - you need to wise up, quickly. Time is running out.

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abroderick

11:18 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

Thank you for continuing your paranoid delusions even in the face of proof. I welcome the Metro.

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Bob Bruhns

12:20 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012

Ab, our Fairfax and Loudoun County leaders were worried about the cost of Dulles Rail Phase II in early 2011, and then the FTA showed up and dumped the Rt 28 rail station and the five parking garages onto Fairfax and Loudoun Counties - and our county leaders suddely liked the idea? What kind of lunacy is that?

All that purported concern about the price, and yet no concern that the pricetag appears to be nearly two times what it should be? What's up with that?

This thing is a ripoff, our leaders have played every game to support it, the news media is complicit, and now Loudoun County needs to say NO.

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t_joseph

6:03 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Bob - breathe in, breathe out...in......out.....everything is going to be okay. the sun will come up tomorrow, Metro or no. Life is too short. god bless you - we love you buddy !

abroderick

11:22 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

I think this is great news for Loudoun County HOpefully this will help calm some of the opposition to Metro. We want it bring it out!

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Bob Bruhns

1:05 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012

You in Loudoun County are the ones who should be paranoid, ab. Do you know that you will not only be responsible for cost overruns in Dulles Rail Phase II - you are also responsible for 4.8% of any cost overrun of Phase I - and Phase I is already $150 million over budget (that we know about). Most people probably think that Phase I is a Fairfax County problem. SURPRISE!!!

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abroderick

11:43 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012

You make it sound as if someone is going to come up to me and ask me for a million dollars tomorrow. Is it going to be expensive? Yes. Will they find a way to fund it? Yes. Will it break the citizens of Loudoun County? No.

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The Baconator

10:18 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Yes Bob I am sure they will start taking a new tax out of our paychecks called the Metro tax and it will be 98 percent of our pay. Then we will all starve to death and the planet will be over run with aliens that feed on human corpses. The truth is it's these aliens that want to build the Metro in the first place, so they can enslave humans, watch us all die, then move in to feed on us. I am so glad that the human race has someone like you, smart enough to see impending disaster such as this ahead of time. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!!!

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Bob Bruhns

12:50 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

If this ripoff is approved, the costs will be a lot higher than they should have been, because the people pushing for it mysteriously did not care about the bloated pricetags - except for the three that MWAA and the FTA wanted them to care about - the underground airport rail station, and the Rt 28 station, and the five Phase II parking garages.

People were tricked into approving the horrible three-mile elevated track and elevated station plan at Dulles Airport. You think that was an accident? And remarkably, the FTA pretended (and people believed) that the Rt 28 parking garage and the five parking garage costs just went away, when in fact those problems were dumped onto Fairfax and Loudoun Counties. And that's exactly when the Counties suddenly liked the plan! (You just can't make this stuff up. Maybe the Counties wanted to give those jobs to certain connected friends? You tell me.)

This project represents everything that is wrong with modern economics - false promises and artificial hyperinflation used as a justification for thoughtless borrowing and massive overfinancing to pay a ridiculously excessive price, followed by major economic problems, defaults, bankruptcy and takeover.

After the housing bubble, one might think that people learned this lessson. But this rail project demonstrates that they did not. And this ripoff was supported by complicit political and business 'leaders', and by complicit news media. People need to learn from this.

Melvin Summers

2:39 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012

Bob just hates any progress toward metro. Sounds like they have decided how to pay for it. Now the vote.

Yes to Metro

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Melvin Summers

10:09 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012

I bet there are a lot of people that would have enjoyed getting on a nice air conditioned train and going downtown or someplace that HAD electricity today. Metro can be used to evacuate people in times of emergency such as these too. I think it's another thing to consider before we vote...

Yes to Metro

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abroderick

11:42 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012

What a very good point. As a side note I hope that everyone is doing well. I hope that the power comes back on soon. Stay safe everyone.

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Bob Bruhns

1:15 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Yeah, they certainly wouldn't want to be on an air conditioned bus. They prefer limited destination options and higher prices, I guess.

Victoria Glenn

11:42 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012

This is great news..that 8-1 vote is nice to see!
Yes to METRO!!

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The Baconator

9:39 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012

I think the 8-1 vote is a good indication. It's a good indication that Metro will pass. This area needs this project. I do think it would have been nice to be able to hop on a Metro yesterday instead of sitting in my dark hot house.

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Chris Lopresti

9:31 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

I am excited for the vote! I can't wait to take my first trip on our new Metro!

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Kevin Chisholm

9:43 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

I hope the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors will approve the go ahead with extending Metro into Loudoun County. Once that is done, we can look at how to bring quality public transportation to a much greater number of Loudoun residents.

Route 7 is prime candidate for light rail. It could begin with an express bus service to be in place when Metro opens in Tyson’s Corner and evolve to a light rail later with the appropriate approvals of Fairfax and Loudoun county officials and residents. Federal funds, which oddly enough are not included in the Metro extension to Loudoun, should be sought.
Local and state officials should consider what agency, other than Metro (WMATA) is best to lead the effort for such a service. A service along Route 7 could eventually extend west to Clarke and Frederick counties (Winchester, etc.).

Kevin Chisholm
Candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives
www.chisholmforcongress.com

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ksr

10:32 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

So I'd like to understand this a bit more. Who was the single candidate that voted against this? Why?

My concern is that I live close to the proposed last stop of Metro Loudoun Station. I moved there 8 years ago because I worked in Ashburn and now in Chantilly. Many residents near Loudoun Station work at Verizon and AOL.

If I understand this correctly, I would be concerned if we were to foot a larger portion of the bill for the everyone else. It's difficult to tell what the new district is from the attached picture.

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Dusty Smith

10:50 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

To KSR, Supervisor Delgaudio voted against it. As for the district it's not set in stone yet. They must still go through a public process during which the boundaries could be adjusted. The goal was to focus the burden near the stations, but also avoid as much existing residential as possible. Even if the board supports the same tax district plan tomorrow (which will only come up if they opt in), there are still steps to take before approving and instituting it.

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Bob Bruhns

12:43 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

It is not surprising that federal funds are not provided for Phase II of this ripoff. The population density does not justify this project, so there is no federal money for it, nor even a federal loan of any sort. Loudoun County should take the hint, because this rule is all about the risk of financial failure of the project because it does not have enough of a financial base. Note that Loudoun County does not even have significant business at the rail stations to help pay for this project, and the project costs 1.7 to 2 times what it should, and its funding plan is bogus, as you will discover in January when the tolls skyrocket, and people scream (you haven't seen ANYTHING yet), and Fairfax and Loudoun Counties float Billion dollar bonds to pay down the tolls, and foist the 50 to 70 million dollar payments for that onto the taxpayers for fifty years or more. People, you are being robbed.

A dedicated-road bus backbone in the rail right of way should have been used to get this rail route started, and that was the plan more than ten years ago, until a crooked political circus, typified by the MWAA board that the DOT Inspector General recently exposed, pushed for rail, and got us stuck with it in Fairfax County.

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Bob Bruhns

12:45 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

The argument about how much the rail would boost business real estate values was scuttled some time ago, because people would ask, "Why should WE pay so much for this?" And they might say "Well, let those business property owners borrow to pay NOW, because they will be the major beneficiaries of this project." But you will not think of this until it is too late. You will find that their contribution will have been capped, as it was done in Fairfax County. The sad truth is that those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.

This could all have been avoided if a BUS road was installed in the rail right of way, instead of rail. Then business could have built up, and you would not be facing this dilemma. But Loudoun County is creating this problem for you, by rushing to approve this premature rail project. This region would have done better to build a dedicated road bus system, and use it for twenty years,until it is actually ready for rail - and then convert it to rail bit by bit as you can afford it. But no.

In the end, you will get the government you deserve, handing you the taxes you are asking for now.

Vineet Aggarwal

11:58 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Bob, I get the impression that even if some philanthropist were to come forward and agree to fund the Metro in its entirety, and would agree to taken on the burden of 100% of future maintenance costs indefinitely, you would still argue against it because you've already made up your mind. These special tax districts are exactly what you opt-out folks have been clamoring for, and now that the board has decided upon it, you still are opposed! What gives? To me this is no different than what's happening with Obamacare -- there seems to be a theme here. To summarize:

Opt-out folks (Obamacare, Silver Line, etc.): "Let the Supreme Court Decide if Obamacare is Constitutional."

Supreme Court: "Yes, Obamacare is Constitutional."

Opt-Out Folks: "Well, who gave the Supreme Court the right to decide what is Constitutional and what isn't?"

Educated Members of Society: "Uhhh, the Founding Fathers."

Opt-Out Folks: "Well, you're all fascists, and so is Obama. Down with Obamacare. Down with the Silver Line! Down with reason! Down with progress! Climate change is a myth! Nevermind that we've never seen storms like this and had so many people lose power before! Blah!!"

And so on. Seriously, you people need to focus your efforts for the betterment of society, not on whining. It looks like Silver Line is going to happen. Stop wasting your money on forged documents, and you'll be able to pay for the nominal increase in taxes you are complaining about.

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Bob Bruhns

12:14 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Congratulations; you have discovered the straw-man argument. Who knows, some day you might even argue with something that I actually said.

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CC Mojo

10:51 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Vineet - well said (lmao)

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MIke

3:27 pm on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

Wow.. I'll jump in here... If the silver line could be entirely funded by its ridership, then I'd have no issue with it other than the increase in property crime that it brings. As it stands, we have now committed to a finacial hole that the district will not be able to pay, and will reply on our General funds to support. Congrats Pro Metro folks... you've just taken funds from our children and schools.

Vineet Aggarwal

12:29 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Go back and read your conspiracy theories despite the board coming back with a solution that is actually in line with what the opt-out people want. That is the point of my message. Seems to be a theme. You get a compromise and still have issues. It's either your way, or the crying ensues. No straw-man here.

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Bob Bruhns

12:51 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Sorry, but this rail project is no solution, it only adds to the problem. Just say NO!

Vineet Aggarwal

1:11 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Let's just call your reasoning interesting for the sake of being civil. The problem is too many cars on the road. Rail would remove some of those cars from the road. Yet, that adds to the problem? Sure, I'll just say NO to illogical reasoning and paranoid conspiracy theories, but I'll just say YES to progress and sound transportation options that the rest of the world seems to agree with.

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Jonathan Erickson

1:37 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Under the Memorandum of Agreement among MWAA, the state, Fairfax County and Loudoun, the jurisdictions will pay for the construction of the parking garages or find a private funding partner for them. Loudoun would be responsible for one parking garage at Rt. 606 and two at Rt. 772?
Mr. Yorks comments dated 3-6-12 It appears that the CIP money has already been garnered. Mr. York's comment 3-12-2012 . The greenfield area around 606 and 772 will not support our early years and it’s pure projection that it ever will. “In the first years, we’re not going to get a lot of taxes in a special taxing district. It is going to take a while for development to occur,” he said. “But we can use that and if they do the studies and see what potential values are, we can use it to pay into the operations… but we will have to use some general fund money up front to take care of the debt service payment.”

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Melvin Summers

9:30 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

You are about to see tomorrow Bob, Metro is coming and it's here to stay. But don't worry you will have your beloved buses too.

Yes to Metro

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Luisa

9:47 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Let's get this long overdue show on the road and bring metro to Loudoun County!!

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Victoria Glenn

10:26 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Counting down the hours till the rail becomes reality!

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The Baconator

10:48 am on Tuesday, July 3, 2012

It passed Loudoun will have Metro now woohooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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